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	<title>Comments on: Jeff Stahler cartoon questioned as plagiarism? (UPDATED)</title>
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		<title>By: Clay Jones</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113241</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No political cartoonist should ever draw the same cartoon again.  We draw cartoons similar to previous work, make the same statements, etc., but not the same cartoon.  It&#039;s an ethical violation.  We are journalists.  We are required to follow the same ethic guidelines as our colleagues.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a firing offense.  Circumstances are different.  Sometimes the cartoonist might have forgotten he ever did it before.

I would hope a political cartoonist knows the difference between what he/she does, and what is done in a gag-a-day comic strip for the funny pages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No political cartoonist should ever draw the same cartoon again.  We draw cartoons similar to previous work, make the same statements, etc., but not the same cartoon.  It&#8217;s an ethical violation.  We are journalists.  We are required to follow the same ethic guidelines as our colleagues.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a firing offense.  Circumstances are different.  Sometimes the cartoonist might have forgotten he ever did it before.</p>
<p>I would hope a political cartoonist knows the difference between what he/she does, and what is done in a gag-a-day comic strip for the funny pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Peterson</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113232</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 02:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You need to realize that he only did that once a year, which means it wasn&#039;t self-plagiarism but tradition.

Pay attention here, boy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to realize that he only did that once a year, which means it wasn&#8217;t self-plagiarism but tradition.</p>
<p>Pay attention here, boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Fairrington</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113223</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Fairrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 18:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, I think the notion that submitting  work you had previously done in an academic setting may well in fact fall into the camp of violating ethical standards.

However, I think we are confusing cartooning in general with something other than what it is at it&#039;s core...which is entertainment.  Looking at it from that perspective if, like Stahler, a cartoonist steals from another they are in copyright violation.  Legally this is worse than plagiarism.

Subsequently, if that same cartoonist want to use material that they previously created then they are free to do so.  After all, how many times did Charlie Brown try and kick that football?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I think the notion that submitting  work you had previously done in an academic setting may well in fact fall into the camp of violating ethical standards.</p>
<p>However, I think we are confusing cartooning in general with something other than what it is at it&#8217;s core&#8230;which is entertainment.  Looking at it from that perspective if, like Stahler, a cartoonist steals from another they are in copyright violation.  Legally this is worse than plagiarism.</p>
<p>Subsequently, if that same cartoonist want to use material that they previously created then they are free to do so.  After all, how many times did Charlie Brown try and kick that football?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Peterson</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113215</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, there IS an ethical violation known as self-plagiarism, which consists of essentially submitting a previously published work, either in its original form or with minor changes. It&#039;s similar to what is known in academic circles as &quot;dovetailing,&quot; which is writing, say, a paper on &quot;Uncle Tom&#039;s Cabin&quot; and submitting it in both your history and literature courses.

In the academic case, the problem is that the paper is likely to be substandard in one aspect or the other -- either it&#039;s a good history analysis and poor literary analysis or vice-versa. The &quot;cure&quot; is to write the paper with the knowledge of and direction from both professors. Usually not as easy as doing two separate papers.

But there&#039;s no ethical cure for doing a cartoon every four years with the newly-elected president or governor sitting in the drivers seat of a car that is still in the driveway while the media and Congress are depicted as kids screaming from the back seat &quot;Are we there yet?&quot; That&#039;s just lazy, and, yes, it&#039;s copying yourself and cheating both your client and your readers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there IS an ethical violation known as self-plagiarism, which consists of essentially submitting a previously published work, either in its original form or with minor changes. It&#8217;s similar to what is known in academic circles as &#8220;dovetailing,&#8221; which is writing, say, a paper on &#8220;Uncle Tom&#8217;s Cabin&#8221; and submitting it in both your history and literature courses.</p>
<p>In the academic case, the problem is that the paper is likely to be substandard in one aspect or the other &#8212; either it&#8217;s a good history analysis and poor literary analysis or vice-versa. The &#8220;cure&#8221; is to write the paper with the knowledge of and direction from both professors. Usually not as easy as doing two separate papers.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s no ethical cure for doing a cartoon every four years with the newly-elected president or governor sitting in the drivers seat of a car that is still in the driveway while the media and Congress are depicted as kids screaming from the back seat &#8220;Are we there yet?&#8221; That&#8217;s just lazy, and, yes, it&#8217;s copying yourself and cheating both your client and your readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Fairrington</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113207</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Fairrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 01:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You cannot plagiarize yourself, it is defined as taking from someone else: 

&quot;Plagiarism is defined  as the &quot;wrongful appropriation,&quot; &quot;close imitation,&quot; or &quot;purloining and publication&quot; of ANOTHER author&#039;s &quot;language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions,&quot; and the representation of them as one&#039;s own original work.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot plagiarize yourself, it is defined as taking from someone else: </p>
<p>&#8220;Plagiarism is defined  as the &#8220;wrongful appropriation,&#8221; &#8220;close imitation,&#8221; or &#8220;purloining and publication&#8221; of ANOTHER author&#8217;s &#8220;language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions,&#8221; and the representation of them as one&#8217;s own original work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Falco</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113199</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Falco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 14:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS, a cartoon I ran in the recent Creator&#039;s Syndicate cartoon contest was almost the exact thing that ran in the New Yorker a few days earlier. It was totally a coincidence, at least on my part, I had proof that I uploaded the cartoon in Feb. and not April, when both cartoons were published and I also had proof that I had created the cartoon a long time ago. But coincidences do happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS, a cartoon I ran in the recent Creator&#8217;s Syndicate cartoon contest was almost the exact thing that ran in the New Yorker a few days earlier. It was totally a coincidence, at least on my part, I had proof that I uploaded the cartoon in Feb. and not April, when both cartoons were published and I also had proof that I had created the cartoon a long time ago. But coincidences do happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Falco</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113198</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Falco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 14:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see so many funny things posted on twitter that I would love to use in a cartoon, and am very tempted, but I don&#039;t for this very reason, also, I never know if the person who posted the tweet was quoting someone else, maybe even a cartoon that he/she had seen earlier that day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see so many funny things posted on twitter that I would love to use in a cartoon, and am very tempted, but I don&#8217;t for this very reason, also, I never know if the person who posted the tweet was quoting someone else, maybe even a cartoon that he/she had seen earlier that day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lavery</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lavery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t The Bad Cartoonist (God rest his soul) show that Stahler even plagerizes from himself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t The Bad Cartoonist (God rest his soul) show that Stahler even plagerizes from himself?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Stephens</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113140</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 05:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Stahler is a serial cartoonist-idea-raper, he should be stopped. The question is, is there enough non-circumstantial evidence to bring the hammer down? I dunno...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Stahler is a serial cartoonist-idea-raper, he should be stopped. The question is, is there enough non-circumstantial evidence to bring the hammer down? I dunno&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Stephens</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2011/05/24/jeff-stahler-cartoon-questioned-as-plagiarism/#comment-113139</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 05:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before blogs and the internet, political cartoonists would OFTEN have the exact same idea with NO way of knowing another artist just took the same, exact approach - with waaaaaay less papers and artists today (I&#039;m guessing an 80% reduction in artists and 50% reduction in newspapers), it is less likely to happen, statistically, but it will still happen...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before blogs and the internet, political cartoonists would OFTEN have the exact same idea with NO way of knowing another artist just took the same, exact approach &#8211; with waaaaaay less papers and artists today (I&#8217;m guessing an 80% reduction in artists and 50% reduction in newspapers), it is less likely to happen, statistically, but it will still happen&#8230;</p>
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