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	<title>Comments on: Aunt Jemima cartoon causing ruckus in Ohio</title>
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		<title>By: Barbara Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whenever something is printed we have the right to agree, disagree,like it, dislike it, etc. I&#039;m trying to open a diner on Broadway in my city. I need this picture.
Yes I claim Aunt Jemima, Aunt Belle, Aunt Mary, Susie, Lubertha and Lucille.
Can somebody get me in contact with someone 
that can give me permission to use this picture on my sign wayyyyy on top of my building.
And I am very BBBlack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever something is printed we have the right to agree, disagree,like it, dislike it, etc. I&#8217;m trying to open a diner on Broadway in my city. I need this picture.<br />
Yes I claim Aunt Jemima, Aunt Belle, Aunt Mary, Susie, Lubertha and Lucille.<br />
Can somebody get me in contact with someone<br />
that can give me permission to use this picture on my sign wayyyyy on top of my building.<br />
And I am very BBBlack.</p>
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		<title>By: Derf Backderf</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/12/03/aunt-jemima-cartoon-causing-ruckus-in-ohio/#comment-88673</link>
		<dc:creator>Derf Backderf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a better cartoon that 99 percent of the stuff on Cagle today.

Walt Carr is a freelancer who doesn&#039;t even live in Cleveland. It&#039;s widely believed that George Forbes wrote the thing.

He&#039;s one of the biggest creeps in Cleveland politics, but he writes a pretty good cartoon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a better cartoon that 99 percent of the stuff on Cagle today.</p>
<p>Walt Carr is a freelancer who doesn&#8217;t even live in Cleveland. It&#8217;s widely believed that George Forbes wrote the thing.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s one of the biggest creeps in Cleveland politics, but he writes a pretty good cartoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Context matters, as does considering the source. And that works both ways.
One bittersweet lesson Iâ€™ve learned is you donâ€™t really have any say in the matter if someone calls your work racist: thatâ€™s his or her take on it, and right or wrong you take the hit. You can get defensive, or attack, but changing the way someone feels taking that approach is about as hard as changing their opinion. Always worth seeing if itâ€™s an informed, legitimate opinion, or just a kneejerk reaction coming from someplace else for another reason. Case in point being the comment thread here earlier this spring on the infamous chimp cartoon by Delonas. Interesting to compare the positions taken there defending a panel that fit a pattern within an established body of work and contrast them here with this piece. 
On the other hand, for those who think itâ€™s inherently racist to call out racism, must be easy to see things simply in either black or white.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Context matters, as does considering the source. And that works both ways.<br />
One bittersweet lesson Iâ€™ve learned is you donâ€™t really have any say in the matter if someone calls your work racist: thatâ€™s his or her take on it, and right or wrong you take the hit. You can get defensive, or attack, but changing the way someone feels taking that approach is about as hard as changing their opinion. Always worth seeing if itâ€™s an informed, legitimate opinion, or just a kneejerk reaction coming from someplace else for another reason. Case in point being the comment thread here earlier this spring on the infamous chimp cartoon by Delonas. Interesting to compare the positions taken there defending a panel that fit a pattern within an established body of work and contrast them here with this piece.<br />
On the other hand, for those who think itâ€™s inherently racist to call out racism, must be easy to see things simply in either black or white.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The racist cartoon was drawn by a racist black cartoonist to run in a â€˜blackâ€™ newspaper whose readership is largely black, in order to make a racist political comment about a black politician. I think that pretty well illustrates RACISM.

Skin color doesn&#039;t matter - racism is racism. What, you think blacks can&#039;t be racist against blacks? Plenty of white folks are clearly racist against other white folks, duh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The racist cartoon was drawn by a racist black cartoonist to run in a â€˜blackâ€™ newspaper whose readership is largely black, in order to make a racist political comment about a black politician. I think that pretty well illustrates RACISM.</p>
<p>Skin color doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; racism is racism. What, you think blacks can&#8217;t be racist against blacks? Plenty of white folks are clearly racist against other white folks, duh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cartoon was drawn by a black cartoonist to run in a &#039;black&#039; newspaper whose readership is largely black, in order to make a political comment about a black politician. I think that pretty well insulates it from any charges of racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cartoon was drawn by a black cartoonist to run in a &#8216;black&#8217; newspaper whose readership is largely black, in order to make a political comment about a black politician. I think that pretty well insulates it from any charges of racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have to defer to the insight of Chris Rock (â€œShoot the Messengerâ€) here â€“ great routine and commentary on this topic.
Certain comedians from certain segments of society have the right to go where others canâ€™t: John Callahan can make fun of folks with disabilities, Aaron McGruder and Keith can make fun of black culture, Alison Bechdel with lesbians etc. and so on. Thatâ€™s their prerogative, and if I or anybody else who doesnâ€™t like it just has to deal with it, maybe even learn something about yourself in the process by confronting stereotypes.
 
Thatâ€™s why I have a special thing for whites, particularly male heterosexuals, in my editorials, since with my biased perspective I tend to notice that theyâ€™re the group responsible for most of the rampant stupidity around me. In fact, pretty much every time Iâ€™ve ever gotten slammed for being racist in a panel, itâ€™s usually by disaffected, even jealous, white folks who jump at any chance to vent their impotent white anger, usually from fear at losing their privileged position. That kind of ignorance is usually funny, until it gets into the really sad or creepy/scary comments, like some examples displayed here on this thread.

And this is also why editors are gun-shy about running controversial panels like this â€“ seems that they are the ones who get pilloried instead of the artist: Walt Carr seems to have been around long enough and experienced enough to know what (and why) heâ€™s doing. I looked around but doesnâ€™t seem to have a web-presence, be nice to have him weigh in here. 

Like any decent editorial it at least motivates discussion on the issue, or in this case, multiple issues. Being â€œone of the groupâ€ doesnâ€™t necessarily automatically shield the cartoonist or their work from criticism, and they have the same shortcomings as anybody else and arenâ€™t immune from making bad judgment calls either. The best work out there and what I admire the most in other cartoonists is when it transcends stereotypes and makes fun of universal human conditions, but those are rare, and harder to do than picking on people who are different, or maybe just the same as me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to defer to the insight of Chris Rock (â€œShoot the Messengerâ€) here â€“ great routine and commentary on this topic.<br />
Certain comedians from certain segments of society have the right to go where others canâ€™t: John Callahan can make fun of folks with disabilities, Aaron McGruder and Keith can make fun of black culture, Alison Bechdel with lesbians etc. and so on. Thatâ€™s their prerogative, and if I or anybody else who doesnâ€™t like it just has to deal with it, maybe even learn something about yourself in the process by confronting stereotypes.</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s why I have a special thing for whites, particularly male heterosexuals, in my editorials, since with my biased perspective I tend to notice that theyâ€™re the group responsible for most of the rampant stupidity around me. In fact, pretty much every time Iâ€™ve ever gotten slammed for being racist in a panel, itâ€™s usually by disaffected, even jealous, white folks who jump at any chance to vent their impotent white anger, usually from fear at losing their privileged position. That kind of ignorance is usually funny, until it gets into the really sad or creepy/scary comments, like some examples displayed here on this thread.</p>
<p>And this is also why editors are gun-shy about running controversial panels like this â€“ seems that they are the ones who get pilloried instead of the artist: Walt Carr seems to have been around long enough and experienced enough to know what (and why) heâ€™s doing. I looked around but doesnâ€™t seem to have a web-presence, be nice to have him weigh in here. </p>
<p>Like any decent editorial it at least motivates discussion on the issue, or in this case, multiple issues. Being â€œone of the groupâ€ doesnâ€™t necessarily automatically shield the cartoonist or their work from criticism, and they have the same shortcomings as anybody else and arenâ€™t immune from making bad judgment calls either. The best work out there and what I admire the most in other cartoonists is when it transcends stereotypes and makes fun of universal human conditions, but those are rare, and harder to do than picking on people who are different, or maybe just the same as me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dave: While I appreciate your argument, I have to say that there is some flawed logic going on there.

Just because you or I don&#039;t hear these sorts of racist comments coming from our circle of friends, I argue that it&#039;s because you haven&#039;t associated yourself with that type of person.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, now.  Racism is occuring on both sides of the argument.  On one hand, you have a paper that has issued a racist cartoon, accusing a black woman of power that she is doing this simply to get support.  On the other, while she may not be doing it for that reason (or is, who knows?), this WILL probably help her.

@Shane:  I&#039;m very glad about your passion for this subject, but as a general rule, insulting the opposite side usually leads to your opinion being discredited.  I would certainly hate for that to happen, especially to someone who obviously has a very strong opinion on the subject.

Of course, you really only did the insulting in your first post, so possibly just a bout of anger?  Understandable.

@Ted: Don&#039;t be that guy.  Don&#039;t be the guy that finds a racist comment in a racist argument.

A poor choice of words to be sure, but I&#039;m positive that he wasn&#039;t talking about whipping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave: While I appreciate your argument, I have to say that there is some flawed logic going on there.</p>
<p>Just because you or I don&#8217;t hear these sorts of racist comments coming from our circle of friends, I argue that it&#8217;s because you haven&#8217;t associated yourself with that type of person.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, now.  Racism is occuring on both sides of the argument.  On one hand, you have a paper that has issued a racist cartoon, accusing a black woman of power that she is doing this simply to get support.  On the other, while she may not be doing it for that reason (or is, who knows?), this WILL probably help her.</p>
<p>@Shane:  I&#8217;m very glad about your passion for this subject, but as a general rule, insulting the opposite side usually leads to your opinion being discredited.  I would certainly hate for that to happen, especially to someone who obviously has a very strong opinion on the subject.</p>
<p>Of course, you really only did the insulting in your first post, so possibly just a bout of anger?  Understandable.</p>
<p>@Ted: Don&#8217;t be that guy.  Don&#8217;t be the guy that finds a racist comment in a racist argument.</p>
<p>A poor choice of words to be sure, but I&#8217;m positive that he wasn&#8217;t talking about whipping.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ted,
There comes a time when some folks, no matter what their color, need their butt whipped.

A true soul cleasing butt whipping is inherently colorblind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted,<br />
There comes a time when some folks, no matter what their color, need their butt whipped.</p>
<p>A true soul cleasing butt whipping is inherently colorblind.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just saying he&#039;s never gonna hear it from his white friends.  Never.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just saying he&#8217;s never gonna hear it from his white friends.  Never.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith,

Of course my friend heard his black friends ripping racially on whites, hispanics, Jews, asians, etc. He wasn&#039;t lying about how common it was. And he also mentioned how surprised he was at how much the black women (to whom he sold his cartoons to) would have no problem tossing out any of his artwork that had WHITE folk in them and then saying the usual racist garbage against them...

Sure, white folks aren&#039;t gonna rip black folks in front of a black man. But I agree with him - those kind of racist comments are RARE in my experience. I rarely hear them from my white, asian, hispanic, black friends. And he commonly hears them, but only from his black acquaintances. Ah, but I&#039;m sure that&#039;s just his imagination, right? We&#039;re all the same and there&#039;s never anything negative about a sub-culture, hmm? LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>Of course my friend heard his black friends ripping racially on whites, hispanics, Jews, asians, etc. He wasn&#8217;t lying about how common it was. And he also mentioned how surprised he was at how much the black women (to whom he sold his cartoons to) would have no problem tossing out any of his artwork that had WHITE folk in them and then saying the usual racist garbage against them&#8230;</p>
<p>Sure, white folks aren&#8217;t gonna rip black folks in front of a black man. But I agree with him &#8211; those kind of racist comments are RARE in my experience. I rarely hear them from my white, asian, hispanic, black friends. And he commonly hears them, but only from his black acquaintances. Ah, but I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s just his imagination, right? We&#8217;re all the same and there&#8217;s never anything negative about a sub-culture, hmm? LOL</p>
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