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	<title>Comments on: Ed Stein ends Denver Square</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Pavelich</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/08/ed-stein-ends-denver-square/#comment-95390</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Pavelich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in response to &quot;Kenosha Resident,&quot; somebody who&#039;s trying to pass himself off as a random reader of The Kenosha News. In reality, it&#039;s somebody who&#039;s threatened me for doing a joke about a music festival he was involved with. He&#039;s so brilliant, he did it using his work email. Of course, I&#039;ve saved all of those.

Also, my strip was described as edgy by Kenosha News managing editor Craig Swanson, a twenty-year veteran of the newspaper game. I&#039;ll take his appraisal of my work over &quot;Kenosha Resident&quot; any day. As far as the remark about my doing a joke about a local resident that fell into a wood chipper, it never happened. It&#039;s a lame attempt to smear me in front of my peers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in response to &#8220;Kenosha Resident,&#8221; somebody who&#8217;s trying to pass himself off as a random reader of The Kenosha News. In reality, it&#8217;s somebody who&#8217;s threatened me for doing a joke about a music festival he was involved with. He&#8217;s so brilliant, he did it using his work email. Of course, I&#8217;ve saved all of those.</p>
<p>Also, my strip was described as edgy by Kenosha News managing editor Craig Swanson, a twenty-year veteran of the newspaper game. I&#8217;ll take his appraisal of my work over &#8220;Kenosha Resident&#8221; any day. As far as the remark about my doing a joke about a local resident that fell into a wood chipper, it never happened. It&#8217;s a lame attempt to smear me in front of my peers.</p>
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		<title>By: Garey Mckee</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/08/ed-stein-ends-denver-square/#comment-84280</link>
		<dc:creator>Garey Mckee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t there a thread here with a link to Bill Watterson&#039;s early cartoons which I believe were editorial in nature?  Forgive me if I&#039;m remembering that wrong.  But it seems that he deliberately, and perhaps wisely, steered C&amp;H away from that genre.

But to comment on the topic at hand, local cartoons of any type are becoming rare and endangered species.  That might be quite an understatement as it seems print cartoons of any type are in a state of flux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t there a thread here with a link to Bill Watterson&#8217;s early cartoons which I believe were editorial in nature?  Forgive me if I&#8217;m remembering that wrong.  But it seems that he deliberately, and perhaps wisely, steered C&amp;H away from that genre.</p>
<p>But to comment on the topic at hand, local cartoons of any type are becoming rare and endangered species.  That might be quite an understatement as it seems print cartoons of any type are in a state of flux.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/08/ed-stein-ends-denver-square/#comment-84260</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I love Calvin &amp; Hobbes. One of the best strips of all time. In no way, however, could Bill Watterson have been considered a political commentator. C&amp;H was no substitute for a political cartoonist--and I seriously doubt he tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I love Calvin &amp; Hobbes. One of the best strips of all time. In no way, however, could Bill Watterson have been considered a political commentator. C&amp;H was no substitute for a political cartoonist&#8211;and I seriously doubt he tried.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/08/ed-stein-ends-denver-square/#comment-84259</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having observed the syndication biz from several angles, it&#039;s difficult to pin down where to put the blame for the blandness that afflicts daily newspapers. Syndicates blame editors for not taking chances, yet edgy strips (at the time of launch) like The Boondocks, The Far Side, Dilbert, Doonesbury, etc. tend to outperform and outlast many of their blander competitors.

Editors blame readers for complaining about edgier material, but even the most controversial comics only elicit negative responses from a tiny percentage of readers. Most readers, it seems, shrug their shoulders and turn the page.

And cartoonists blame syndicates for not taking chances, but cartoonists are the ones turning in the blame cartoons they claim to hate.

I don&#039;t know where the blame lies. But who cares? What&#039;s far more interesting and relevant to me is the fact that bland is not working for dailies, whether with comics or news coverage. The word readers from age six to 66 keep consistently use to describe their local paper is &quot;boring.&quot; Boring doesn&#039;t build reader loyalty, especially not when there&#039;s 500 channels on TV and the Internet.

Speaking of the Internet, which is a relatively democratic medium, most readers tend to gravitate toward the most outrageous and controversial material. I&#039;d bet my last cent that a print newspaper that ran hard-hitting editorial cartoons, news articles that used the F-word when the vice president utters it, and grizzly photos of torture, war and other mayhem would outperform its competitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having observed the syndication biz from several angles, it&#8217;s difficult to pin down where to put the blame for the blandness that afflicts daily newspapers. Syndicates blame editors for not taking chances, yet edgy strips (at the time of launch) like The Boondocks, The Far Side, Dilbert, Doonesbury, etc. tend to outperform and outlast many of their blander competitors.</p>
<p>Editors blame readers for complaining about edgier material, but even the most controversial comics only elicit negative responses from a tiny percentage of readers. Most readers, it seems, shrug their shoulders and turn the page.</p>
<p>And cartoonists blame syndicates for not taking chances, but cartoonists are the ones turning in the blame cartoons they claim to hate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where the blame lies. But who cares? What&#8217;s far more interesting and relevant to me is the fact that bland is not working for dailies, whether with comics or news coverage. The word readers from age six to 66 keep consistently use to describe their local paper is &#8220;boring.&#8221; Boring doesn&#8217;t build reader loyalty, especially not when there&#8217;s 500 channels on TV and the Internet.</p>
<p>Speaking of the Internet, which is a relatively democratic medium, most readers tend to gravitate toward the most outrageous and controversial material. I&#8217;d bet my last cent that a print newspaper that ran hard-hitting editorial cartoons, news articles that used the F-word when the vice president utters it, and grizzly photos of torture, war and other mayhem would outperform its competitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenosha Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenosha Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in response to Dan Pavelich below..

You may think your comic is considered &#039;edgy&#039; but from my experience as well as hearing from others- it is mostly bland,  unhumorous, and sometimes tasteless. Was it really appropriate to do a local &#039;comic&#039; about a local resident who was killed in a woodchipper? Really?

I&#039;m surprised it is even published in the Kenosha News. Your ignorance amazes me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in response to Dan Pavelich below..</p>
<p>You may think your comic is considered &#8216;edgy&#8217; but from my experience as well as hearing from others- it is mostly bland,  unhumorous, and sometimes tasteless. Was it really appropriate to do a local &#8216;comic&#8217; about a local resident who was killed in a woodchipper? Really?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised it is even published in the Kenosha News. Your ignorance amazes me.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve York</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/08/ed-stein-ends-denver-square/#comment-80387</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the plug, Stacy. I appreciate the kind words!

I&#039;ve been doing Captain Zero weekly since 2001, in addition to five editorial cartoons per week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the plug, Stacy. I appreciate the kind words!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing Captain Zero weekly since 2001, in addition to five editorial cartoons per week.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Shulock</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/08/ed-stein-ends-denver-square/#comment-75471</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Shulock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advertisers do have a lot of clout. I&#039;ve had a single panel cartoon in my local paper since &#039;97. I&#039;ve worked under two editors and have only been censored once. I don&#039;t remember the punch line but it was a cartoon about a car salesman and a lemon. My editor called me and apologized about not running the panel.Car dealerships are our biggest advertisers; we can&#039;t afford to ruffle their feathers, he explained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advertisers do have a lot of clout. I&#8217;ve had a single panel cartoon in my local paper since &#8216;97. I&#8217;ve worked under two editors and have only been censored once. I don&#8217;t remember the punch line but it was a cartoon about a car salesman and a lemon. My editor called me and apologized about not running the panel.Car dealerships are our biggest advertisers; we can&#8217;t afford to ruffle their feathers, he explained.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod McKie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod McKie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne&#039;s point is very well made.  The syndicate supplies the newspapers with what they want.  

The syndicate model will be around for longer than other paradigms like local strips, unsyndicated editorial cartoons, and gag cartoons because the model is almost depression-proof.  The cost to each paper is not substantial, and people need to laugh when the economy is dire.

Anne also mentions advertisers, again they play a significant role.  In Chomsky&#039;s model a newspaper is simply a device to deliver customers to advertisers.  You can see by the adverts a publication runs whom it believes its ideal readers to be, and their sophisticated reader-profiles will include what comic-strips that reader will likely enjoy, it&#039;s their job to know - although to be honest you can probably stereotype the readers of some publications fairly easily.

Over here the Murdoch owned Sun has a topless model on page 3, you&#039;ll probably be able to guess they don&#039;t run Doonsbury on the comic page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne&#8217;s point is very well made.  The syndicate supplies the newspapers with what they want.  </p>
<p>The syndicate model will be around for longer than other paradigms like local strips, unsyndicated editorial cartoons, and gag cartoons because the model is almost depression-proof.  The cost to each paper is not substantial, and people need to laugh when the economy is dire.</p>
<p>Anne also mentions advertisers, again they play a significant role.  In Chomsky&#8217;s model a newspaper is simply a device to deliver customers to advertisers.  You can see by the adverts a publication runs whom it believes its ideal readers to be, and their sophisticated reader-profiles will include what comic-strips that reader will likely enjoy, it&#8217;s their job to know &#8211; although to be honest you can probably stereotype the readers of some publications fairly easily.</p>
<p>Over here the Murdoch owned Sun has a topless model on page 3, you&#8217;ll probably be able to guess they don&#8217;t run Doonsbury on the comic page.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Pavelich</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/08/ed-stein-ends-denver-square/#comment-75463</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Pavelich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for mentioning me, Anne. My strip &quot;Kenosha County&quot; has been described as &quot;edgy,&quot; but in truth, I&#039;m only commenting on things that are already being covered by the local news. This local strip grew out of my frustration at not being able to get a syndication deal. The funny thing is, now when I send samples to the syndicates, they couldn&#039;t care less that I&#039;m already running in a paper. I enjoy gringing my axe locally, but I&#039;d love to get national exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for mentioning me, Anne. My strip &#8220;Kenosha County&#8221; has been described as &#8220;edgy,&#8221; but in truth, I&#8217;m only commenting on things that are already being covered by the local news. This local strip grew out of my frustration at not being able to get a syndication deal. The funny thing is, now when I send samples to the syndicates, they couldn&#8217;t care less that I&#8217;m already running in a paper. I enjoy gringing my axe locally, but I&#8217;d love to get national exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Gardner</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/08/ed-stein-ends-denver-square/#comment-73512</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you are totally right regarding the beginning date. Correction issued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are totally right regarding the beginning date. Correction issued.</p>
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