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		<title>By: Alan Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well we got into the 60s (number of comments) before the conversation went upon flames. 

That&#039;s progress.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we got into the 60s (number of comments) before the conversation went upon flames. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, you&#039;re being beyond ridiculous.  I&#039;m not going to waste any more time with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, you&#8217;re being beyond ridiculous.  I&#8217;m not going to waste any more time with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stromoski</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/03/18/dilbert-strip-offends-those-not-especially-religious/#comment-70778</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Stromoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;You didnâ€™t give the CLINICAL definition of pedophilia, Rick.
http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html

I guess you neglected to read further from the passage you use as a source from your own link.

&quot;The focus of pedophilia is sexual activity with a child. Many courts interpret this reference to age to mean children under the age of 18. Most mental health professionals, however, confine the definition of pedophilia to sexual activity with prepubescent children, who are generally age 13 or younger.

You seem to be attempting to make a case that there&#039;s a difference between a catholic priest who has sex with a 13 year old versus having sex with a child under thirteen years old. You obviously haven&#039;t looked into the dynamics of the scandal  since you take the apologist position and  blame the media, democrats, homosexuals as well as implying that the victims were compliant to some extent as opposed to laying blame where it belongs...on the perpetrators and their enablers. It&#039;s not surprising. It&#039;s well documented that many parishoners turned on the victims when their stories broke and continue to either defend the churches actions or live in a state of denial of what occured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;You didnâ€™t give the CLINICAL definition of pedophilia, Rick.<br />
<a href="http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html</a></p>
<p>I guess you neglected to read further from the passage you use as a source from your own link.</p>
<p>&#8220;The focus of pedophilia is sexual activity with a child. Many courts interpret this reference to age to mean children under the age of 18. Most mental health professionals, however, confine the definition of pedophilia to sexual activity with prepubescent children, who are generally age 13 or younger.</p>
<p>You seem to be attempting to make a case that there&#8217;s a difference between a catholic priest who has sex with a 13 year old versus having sex with a child under thirteen years old. You obviously haven&#8217;t looked into the dynamics of the scandal  since you take the apologist position and  blame the media, democrats, homosexuals as well as implying that the victims were compliant to some extent as opposed to laying blame where it belongs&#8230;on the perpetrators and their enablers. It&#8217;s not surprising. It&#8217;s well documented that many parishoners turned on the victims when their stories broke and continue to either defend the churches actions or live in a state of denial of what occured.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Douglass</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/03/18/dilbert-strip-offends-those-not-especially-religious/#comment-70776</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link about Fatima, which is just one example of the pile of evidence that is out there if people really want more than &quot;blind faith.&quot;
http://www.ewtn.com/fatima/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link about Fatima, which is just one example of the pile of evidence that is out there if people really want more than &#8220;blind faith.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.ewtn.com/fatima/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ewtn.com/fatima/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Douglass</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/03/18/dilbert-strip-offends-those-not-especially-religious/#comment-70774</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t give the CLINICAL definition of pedophilia, Rick. 
http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html

&quot;Pedophilia is also a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or actual act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification.&quot;

Get that? Or do I need to get you the definition of &quot;prepubertal&quot;?

&quot;Dawn, while the religious regard the â€œdancing sunâ€ etc. as scientific evidence of God, many regard it as evidence of alien visitors. So it really doesnâ€™t mean anything.&quot;

It doesn&#039;t mean anything?  Tell that to the people who were there:
From Wikipedia:

The Miracle of the Sun is an alleged miraculous event that was witnessed by as many as 100,000 people on 13 October 1917 in the Cova da Iria fields near FÃ¡tima, Portugal. Those in attendance had assembled to observe what the Portuguese secular papers had been ridiculing for months as being the absurd claim of three shepherd children that a miracle was going to occur at high-noon in the Cova da Iria on October 13, 1917. [1]

According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky.[2] It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds.[2] The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[2] frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world.[3] Witnesses reported that the ground and their previously wet clothes became instantly dry, down to their under clothes.[4]

Estimates of the number of witnesses range from 30,000-40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O SÃ©culo,[5] to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra,[6] both of whom were present that day.[7]

Chris, it was quite clear where the miracle came from, and it wasn&#039;t aliens.

And since you&#039;re a Catholic, you should look up what infallible means to the Church and not misuse the term to mean that the Pope is without sin or error.  Of course, he has plenty of both, as we all do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t give the CLINICAL definition of pedophilia, Rick.<br />
<a href="http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Pedophilia is also a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or actual act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification.&#8221;</p>
<p>Get that? Or do I need to get you the definition of &#8220;prepubertal&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Dawn, while the religious regard the â€œdancing sunâ€ etc. as scientific evidence of God, many regard it as evidence of alien visitors. So it really doesnâ€™t mean anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean anything?  Tell that to the people who were there:<br />
From Wikipedia:</p>
<p>The Miracle of the Sun is an alleged miraculous event that was witnessed by as many as 100,000 people on 13 October 1917 in the Cova da Iria fields near FÃ¡tima, Portugal. Those in attendance had assembled to observe what the Portuguese secular papers had been ridiculing for months as being the absurd claim of three shepherd children that a miracle was going to occur at high-noon in the Cova da Iria on October 13, 1917. [1]</p>
<p>According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky.[2] It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds.[2] The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[2] frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world.[3] Witnesses reported that the ground and their previously wet clothes became instantly dry, down to their under clothes.[4]</p>
<p>Estimates of the number of witnesses range from 30,000-40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O SÃ©culo,[5] to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra,[6] both of whom were present that day.[7]</p>
<p>Chris, it was quite clear where the miracle came from, and it wasn&#8217;t aliens.</p>
<p>And since you&#8217;re a Catholic, you should look up what infallible means to the Church and not misuse the term to mean that the Pope is without sin or error.  Of course, he has plenty of both, as we all do.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stromoski</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/03/18/dilbert-strip-offends-those-not-especially-religious/#comment-70771</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Stromoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;There are no atheists in foxholes either, Rick.

Actually, you&#039;re wrong about that as well Dawn, there are entire organizations devoted to just that.

http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;There are no atheists in foxholes either, Rick.</p>
<p>Actually, you&#8217;re wrong about that as well Dawn, there are entire organizations devoted to just that.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stromoski</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/03/18/dilbert-strip-offends-those-not-especially-religious/#comment-70770</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Stromoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the unabridged American Heritage dictionary
adolescent-noun
 teenager, youngster, young person, youth, boy, girl; juvenile, minor; informal teen, teeny-bopper.
adjective
1 an adolescent boy teenage, pubescent, young; juvenile; informal teen.
A young person who has undergone puberty but who has not reached full maturity; a teenager. 

Pedophile-noun
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children. 

American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition 
pederast [(ped-uh-rast)]

A man who engages in anal intercourse with boys.

homosexual-adjective
1. 	sexually attracted to members of your own sex [ant: bisexual, heterosexual] 
noun1. 	someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex 

Facts are stubborn things especially  the definition of words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the unabridged American Heritage dictionary<br />
adolescent-noun<br />
 teenager, youngster, young person, youth, boy, girl; juvenile, minor; informal teen, teeny-bopper.<br />
adjective<br />
1 an adolescent boy teenage, pubescent, young; juvenile; informal teen.<br />
A young person who has undergone puberty but who has not reached full maturity; a teenager. </p>
<p>Pedophile-noun<br />
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children. </p>
<p>American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition<br />
pederast [(ped-uh-rast)]</p>
<p>A man who engages in anal intercourse with boys.</p>
<p>homosexual-adjective<br />
1. 	sexually attracted to members of your own sex [ant: bisexual, heterosexual]<br />
noun1. 	someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex </p>
<p>Facts are stubborn things especially  the definition of words.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hardiman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hardiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious flame war!  Can&#039;t say I&#039;m surprised.  

Getting back to the &quot;Dilbert&quot; controversy, I am surprised to hear about it, frankly.  In retrospect, anything dealing with religion, especially when poking fun at it, is bound to offend someone.  Nonetheless, I thought that the strips were not the most offensive I&#039;ve seen and were rather funny -- inspired, even.  I&#039;ll echo what I myself wrote on Scott Nickel&#039;s blog earlier this week:

&quot;I agree completely about this past weekâ€™s &#039;Dilbert&#039; storyline. It was very funny, very inspired, and very well-executed. Furthermore, it seemed like a throwback to the &#039;90s when &#039;Dilbert&#039; had more offbeat humor such as the Worldâ€™s Smartest Garbage Man or the Bob Dinosaur strips, along with more extended storylines. In the last couple of years, however, Iâ€™ve been thinking that the strip has gotten more and more repetitive and less and less funny. So the Jesus storyline (pronounced &#039;hay-soos&#039;) was a breath of fresh air, and indeed this year so far has been much better and much funnier than the previous ones. Scott Adams is having a bit of a resurgence, I think.&quot; 

Scott&#039;s writing is excellent, but it showed more when he expanded beyond the daily &quot;working in a cubicle sucks and managers are jerks&quot; shtick, as he did in the &#039;90s.  He is a good enough writer that it is often funny in spite of this, but this series was the first time in a couple of years where I truly thought that a &quot;Dilbert&quot; series or strip was great.  

Despite that, as a (not especially religious) Roman Catholic I can see why many people were offended even if I wasn&#039;t.  Personally I think these people need to lighten up about this.  Adams wasn&#039;t making fun of the Christian religion, he created a storyline funny because of its parallels with the Passion.  And let&#039;s be honest; many cartoonists use religion as fodder, especially in single panels.  How many times have we seen a strip involving Moses and some forgotten 11th commandment, or something with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, or someone like &quot;Cow and Boy&quot; pondering theological questions?  Many.  I know that involving Jesus is different because He&#039;s considered not just a prophet but a savior by Christians -- but it&#039;s not like Adams was directly making fun of Jesus Christ or the Christian faith.  If people are very offended by this, we should thank our lucky stars they don&#039;t watch &quot;Family Guy,&quot; of which I am not a fan, because that show has mocked Jesus, shown Him as an immoral guy, or depicting him suggestive situations.  I was offended when I saw such things, and as I said I was not offended by the &quot;Dilbert&quot; series.  

Dawn, while the religious regard the &quot;dancing sun&quot; etc. as scientific evidence of God, many regard it as evidence of alien visitors.  So it really doesn&#039;t mean anything.  

Is the pope infallible?  I am a Catholic, but I don&#039;t really think so.  Does that preclude me from being a Catholic?  Maybe.  Does not believing that these ten new sins are all sins preclude me from being a Catholic?  I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious flame war!  Can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m surprised.  </p>
<p>Getting back to the &#8220;Dilbert&#8221; controversy, I am surprised to hear about it, frankly.  In retrospect, anything dealing with religion, especially when poking fun at it, is bound to offend someone.  Nonetheless, I thought that the strips were not the most offensive I&#8217;ve seen and were rather funny &#8212; inspired, even.  I&#8217;ll echo what I myself wrote on Scott Nickel&#8217;s blog earlier this week:</p>
<p>&#8220;I agree completely about this past weekâ€™s &#8216;Dilbert&#8217; storyline. It was very funny, very inspired, and very well-executed. Furthermore, it seemed like a throwback to the &#8217;90s when &#8216;Dilbert&#8217; had more offbeat humor such as the Worldâ€™s Smartest Garbage Man or the Bob Dinosaur strips, along with more extended storylines. In the last couple of years, however, Iâ€™ve been thinking that the strip has gotten more and more repetitive and less and less funny. So the Jesus storyline (pronounced &#8216;hay-soos&#8217;) was a breath of fresh air, and indeed this year so far has been much better and much funnier than the previous ones. Scott Adams is having a bit of a resurgence, I think.&#8221; </p>
<p>Scott&#8217;s writing is excellent, but it showed more when he expanded beyond the daily &#8220;working in a cubicle sucks and managers are jerks&#8221; shtick, as he did in the &#8217;90s.  He is a good enough writer that it is often funny in spite of this, but this series was the first time in a couple of years where I truly thought that a &#8220;Dilbert&#8221; series or strip was great.  </p>
<p>Despite that, as a (not especially religious) Roman Catholic I can see why many people were offended even if I wasn&#8217;t.  Personally I think these people need to lighten up about this.  Adams wasn&#8217;t making fun of the Christian religion, he created a storyline funny because of its parallels with the Passion.  And let&#8217;s be honest; many cartoonists use religion as fodder, especially in single panels.  How many times have we seen a strip involving Moses and some forgotten 11th commandment, or something with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, or someone like &#8220;Cow and Boy&#8221; pondering theological questions?  Many.  I know that involving Jesus is different because He&#8217;s considered not just a prophet but a savior by Christians &#8212; but it&#8217;s not like Adams was directly making fun of Jesus Christ or the Christian faith.  If people are very offended by this, we should thank our lucky stars they don&#8217;t watch &#8220;Family Guy,&#8221; of which I am not a fan, because that show has mocked Jesus, shown Him as an immoral guy, or depicting him suggestive situations.  I was offended when I saw such things, and as I said I was not offended by the &#8220;Dilbert&#8221; series.  </p>
<p>Dawn, while the religious regard the &#8220;dancing sun&#8221; etc. as scientific evidence of God, many regard it as evidence of alien visitors.  So it really doesn&#8217;t mean anything.  </p>
<p>Is the pope infallible?  I am a Catholic, but I don&#8217;t really think so.  Does that preclude me from being a Catholic?  Maybe.  Does not believing that these ten new sins are all sins preclude me from being a Catholic?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facts are stubborn things, Rick, as the presidential candidates keep telling us.  90% of the victims were older adolescent males and by its very definition that&#039;s not pedophilia.  It is what it is. 

Of course, I&#039;m appalled by what happened in the Church.  I&#039;m equally appalled that thanks to the teachers unions protected by Democrats, the same thing is happening today in schools all over the country -- molesting teachers are being quietly reassigned to new schools instead of fired and civilly punished.  

Regarding the private real estate...like I said, we&#039;ve been around for 2,000 years and don&#039;t tend to sell things.

And regarding your statistic that .2% of the population of prisons list themselves as atheists, I had to LOL.  There are no atheists in foxholes either, Rick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facts are stubborn things, Rick, as the presidential candidates keep telling us.  90% of the victims were older adolescent males and by its very definition that&#8217;s not pedophilia.  It is what it is. </p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m appalled by what happened in the Church.  I&#8217;m equally appalled that thanks to the teachers unions protected by Democrats, the same thing is happening today in schools all over the country &#8212; molesting teachers are being quietly reassigned to new schools instead of fired and civilly punished.  </p>
<p>Regarding the private real estate&#8230;like I said, we&#8217;ve been around for 2,000 years and don&#8217;t tend to sell things.</p>
<p>And regarding your statistic that .2% of the population of prisons list themselves as atheists, I had to LOL.  There are no atheists in foxholes either, Rick.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stromoski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Stromoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The catholic church is the largest owner of private real estate in the world. It&#039;s assets rival the GNP of most countries. It systematically protected child rapists for decades by moving them from parish to parish to prey on children of both sexes by the tens of thousands instead of handing these predators over to the authorities. The cover up extended to the Pope JP2 who is now in consideration for sainthood ironically. To infer that adolescents are not children and blame what happened on homosexual behavior is not only grossly innacurate it&#039;s patently dishonest and an example of the same type of denial that church used to protect their own  at the expense of children. On this point alone you prove my point about the dangerous delusional nature of the religious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The catholic church is the largest owner of private real estate in the world. It&#8217;s assets rival the GNP of most countries. It systematically protected child rapists for decades by moving them from parish to parish to prey on children of both sexes by the tens of thousands instead of handing these predators over to the authorities. The cover up extended to the Pope JP2 who is now in consideration for sainthood ironically. To infer that adolescents are not children and blame what happened on homosexual behavior is not only grossly innacurate it&#8217;s patently dishonest and an example of the same type of denial that church used to protect their own  at the expense of children. On this point alone you prove my point about the dangerous delusional nature of the religious.</p>
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